[Blue-Eyes White Dragon]

Rape isn’t fatal.

So imagine my indignation when I saw a chat called “Rape Survivors.” Is this supposed to impress me? Someone fucked you when you didn’t want to be fucked and you’re amazed that you survived? Unless he used a chainsaw rather than his dick, then what’s the big deal?

I don’t mean to be horrendously offensive and insensitive here, but everyone survives rape. Some women are killed afterwards, but that’s murder, not rape. To say that you’re a rape survivor is as meaningless as saying you’re a jury duty survivor, or a divorce survivor. Lots of things in life suck—that doesn’t mean we survived them.

The word survivor applies to people alive after going off to war, or those who have been stabbed three or four times, or even mauled by rabid wolverines... not to a woman who gets dick when she doesn’t want it. Just because you got raped, you think you have to rape the English language? What vindictive bitches!

Also, don’t you ever get tired of being the victim? How many relationships are you going to blame on a single violation of your personal space? I’m not making light of it. I know it’s damaging, a reminder of your powerlessness against the world—but it should be a wake-up call. We are powerless against the forces of fate, or chance. We’re all on different paths, but they lead to the same place.

Life leaves no survivors.

[Low-Budget Adult Filmmaker]

Lmao, I've been to an AOL chat named this and I was booted just for being male. I am hurt. Tear tear.

All seriousness aside, if it's really on their mind that much that they feel the need to talk about it regularly they really should just get help.

[Legend Saber]

Originally Posted by Lamb

So imagine my indignation when I saw a chat called “Rape Survivors.” Is this supposed to impress me? Someone fucked you when you didn’t want to be fucked and you’re amazed that you survived? Unless he used a chainsaw rather than his dick, then what’s the big deal?

I thought it was fairly obvious they used the term "rape survivor" as a form of metaphor, to mean someone who has gone through rape. The implication isn't that one can die from rape, but that it's a room of people who have been raped.

Originally Posted by Lamb

everyone survives rape. Some women are killed afterwards, but that’s murder, not rape.

... what if you're raped by someone with a potentially fatal STD, that later kills you?

Originally Posted by Lamb

Also, don’t you ever get tired of being the victim? How many relationships are you going to blame on a single violation of your personal space?

My experience with those who have been raped is admittedly rather paltry, but I haven't met one so shallow so as to use it as an excuse for a failed relationship.

[fromillusiontodemocracy]

well, see heres the thing. since rape causes body trauma and head trauma im all for them calling themselves survivors.besides i have heard all kinds of mis use of the english language. just the other day i heard the phrase "murder with intent to kill" theres one that makes no sense to me.

[Socks Mahoney]

That's not true, Lanza. I've raped plenty of little girls to death.

[Nazo]

Originally Posted by HTTP 404

... what if you're raped by someone with a potentially fatal STD, that later kills you?

That, or what if while the person is raping the girl, what if he's a rough guy, (it's rape so I imagen he is) and he's pounding the girl in doggy style while holding her head down, (with full force) and the chick's neck snaps. Sometimes a broken neck can result in insta-death. Hell, it's even possible if the woman is a virgin and the guy is huge, there's a possibility that he could tear her insides a good bit and she'd bleed to death. It has been recorded in some rape victims.

Rape can be fatal, depending on the rapist.

[Phunky Philosophy]

Originally Posted by Nazo

That, or what if while the person is raping the girl, what if he's a rough guy, (it's rape so I imagen he is) and he's pounding the girl in doggy style while holding her head down, (with full force) and the chick's neck snaps. Sometimes a broken neck can result in insta-death. Hell, it's even possible if the woman is a virgin and the guy is huge, there's a possibility that he could tear her insides a good bit and she'd bleed to death. It has been recorded in some rape victims.

Rape can be fatal, depending on the rapist.

No, then its Rape and Murder. And last time I checked giving a girl a fatal STD isn't considered murder, even though if done on purpose, it damn well should be.

[Legend Saber]

Originally Posted by Phunky Philosophy

No, then its Rape and Murder. And last time I checked giving a girl a fatal STD isn't considered murder, even though if done on purpose, it damn well should be.

The topic of discussion isn't 'murder,' it's what constitutes a survivor. And if it's possible to be rendered dead merely by the act of rape, then one can be considered a 'survivor' of it, even by Lanza's definition.

[Blue-Eyes White Dragon]

Rape
Noun
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.


That in and of itself is not fatal. What means the person uses to do this can be, but that is physical violence: rape and/with intent to kill.

[corpse grinder]

what exactly is the point of this thread? Attacking people over a metaphor? wow guy.

[Nazo]

Originally Posted by Phunky Philosophy

No, then its Rape and Murder. And last time I checked giving a girl a fatal STD isn't considered murder, even though if done on purpose, it damn well should be.

Originally Posted by Nazo

Hell, it's even possible if the woman is a virgin and the guy is huge, there's a possibility that he could tear her insides a good bit and she'd bleed to death. It has been recorded in some rape victims.

I see what you're trying to say, but this isn't the point. Tearing a woman's insides and her bleeding to death isn't murder, per say. It's an extreme level of roughness during rape, so is the neck breaking part. Just because the rapist is extremely rough, does not mean all the time that the kill was intent. Most rapist let their victims go, and get off to them suffering for the rest of their lives, or just want them to have a painful memory imprinted in their mind. Rapist are sick people with sick minds.

Now I reiterate--Rape can be fatal. It all depends on the rapist.

And, even if it is murder, it's murder during rape. Making the title of, "Rape Survivors" valid.

Originally Posted by Lamb

Rape
Noun
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.


That in and of itself is not fatal. What means the person uses to do this can be, but that is physical violence: rape and/with intent to kill.

This does not null, at all, that rape can be fatal. The definition does not give "side effects" to the happenings of the actual act.

Originally Posted by HTTP 404

The topic of discussion isn't 'murder,' it's what constitutes a survivor. And if it's possible to be rendered dead merely by the act of rape, then one can be considered a 'survivor' of it, even by Lanza's definition.

Correct.

[Blue-Eyes White Dragon]

Originally Posted by Nazo

there's a possibility that he could tear her insides a good bit and she'd bleed to death. It has been recorded in some rape victims.

... No, it hasn't. Even the blood from the inital penetration of the hymen isn't enough to make someone bleed out. Like I said, unless he's using a chainsaw to hump her, it wouldn't be dangerous enough to kill her in the act.

Originally Posted by Nazo

This does not null, at all, that rape can be fatal. The definition does not give "side effects" to the happenings of the actual act.

"Side effects" aren't in the definition because you're under the impression there are any, or there has to be any. The act of rape is forcing someone to engage in sexual acts. Sexual acts aren't fatal. Other acts—having no relation to anything sexual, such as using someone by force to do something—have nothing to do with rape, but physical abuse. And even in this physical abuse, there has to be an assumed intent to kill.

[Legend Saber]

Originally Posted by Lamb

That in and of itself is not fatal. What means the person uses to do this can be, but that is physical violence: rape and/with intent to kill.

That's silly. Reminds me of these two lines from Collateral:
"You killed him?"
"No, I shot him; bullets and the fall killed him."

If it can be fatal, one can be considered a 'rape survivor.'

Though this is still a semantically meaningless discussion dealing with what seems to me an obviously metaphorical term.

Originally Posted by Lamb

Sexual acts aren't fatal.

If you ignore possible complications due to potentially fatal STDs, sure.

[Nazo]

Originally Posted by Lamb

... No, it hasn't. Even the blood from the inital penetration of the hymen isn't enough to make someone bleed out. Like I said, unless he's using a chainsaw to hump her, it wouldn't be dangerous enough to kill her in the act.

Um... If one goes to insane while pumping in sex, as a rapist would, it's possible to tear the walls of the vaginal cannal and it'll calapse, cause massive bleeding.

I said the word virgin I the fact that, the vagina's never been penetrated and it can tear easily. In no way was a refering to the hymen. Hymen only bleeds for about 6 seconds.

The point to my post was, if the woman is killed during the rape, no matter what way, it's still classified as killed during rape. Thus, rape can be fatal.

Whoever doesn't see the point of that statement is blind.

[Legend Saber]

Originally Posted by Nazo

Whoever doesn't see the point of that statement is blind.

Not necessarily. Haven't you seen those machines that read text aloud?

>.>

<.<

[Nazo]

David, stfu. >.<

[Reasonable Addition]

I think the point here is that everyone seems to feel sorry for rape victims and many of them would seek special attention to what has happened to them or seek to justify the actions they present which EVERYONE in the world presents either way in some form or another, but Lanza thinks otherwise. That, in relation to the idea that there's many things in life that make people suffer and that just because it's subtle in its presentation, more so then rape, it doesn't make it less painful.

PTSD doesn't just happen to soldiers or young rape victims, apparently. We should all be equal in our suffering. Of course that leads to a buncha extended bullshit, such as perception, and what you do with it. That's how wars and manifestations are started ya know.
One can be a survivor of rape, just as much as one can be a survivor of being homeless. Even pain and suffering is relative, ha ha oh wow. Or they're not survivors. Like, metaphorically.

But if not that, we all know that Lanza is all about shock value anyways. I mean you're saying that psychological magnitude shouldn't be considered, via chainsaw sex example. It doesn't even make sense! Still, I enjoyed reading it. Good to see you again friend, if I may call you that.

On the other hand, a five year old child who gets molested by the father probably does need some slight special treatment in life, I wouldn't deny it to them, I don't see how anyone could. But hey, I actually give change to homeless folks, oh boy I'm such a horrible person. Guess I wouldn't mind what I've considered my privacy, sense of security and familiarity through the embodiment of my physical body completely and most certainly breached, violated and ridiculed through the act of unwanted bangarang which leads to complete feelings of helplessness and worthlessness.
*Shrugs.* Guess it's the same as getting your home robbed, no big fucking deal. I'll shrug it off and go take like, seven showers a day for three years trying to get this filth offa me.

Oh and for the record, rape can lead to depression, which leads to suicide in many cases. I guess that wasn't rape, or a chainsaw though.

But Lanza does have a point; he's just damn inconsiderate, but that's why we love him right?